Arrests due to candid recording

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OceanWaves3947
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Arrests due to candid recording

Post by OceanWaves3947 »

In the United States, at least, the Supreme Court has generally ruled that, in public places where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, it is legal to record anything and everything, with the exception of trying to see body parts that are hidden and meant to be private, such as upskirting. However, that has apparently not deterred some police departments from making arrests of people who record other people's feet candidly, in spite of this fact. One example is Michael Montgomery of Olathe, Kansas, who was arrested after recording women's feet at a Panera Bread. Although he was arrested on the charge of reckless stalking, because, to be fair, he did follow the women he recorded around and made comments about how they had nice legs and how he couldn't concentrate due to what they were doing with their foot (which I am absolutely not defending; that was an idiot move, and is clearly both disrespectful to the woman, and makes a bad name for us in general), part of me can't help but feel that they were just looking for any crime to charge him with, and the real reason that he was arrested was because of his recording (which is legal in the country in which it was taken).

There was another case where a man in Texas recorded a woman's feet at an airport because he had a foot fetish, leading to his subsequent arrest. Now, this was due to a law on the books at the time in Texas called the law against improper photography, which criminalized taking photographs or recordings of a subject without their consent if the intent is to subsequently utilize them as a means for sexual arousal or sexual gratification. Now, thankfully, that law was later struck down as being unconstitutional, for being a law that regulates thought, as, let's face it, no one can really prove what someone's intent was when they took any particular item of photography.

But these arrests make me worry. I feel like, particularly with the stigma surrounding feet, in particular, the First Amendment-protected right in the United States to record candid shoeplay, without, of course, being intrusive or harassing in any way, and while treating the subject(s) of the recording(s) with the utmost respect, may be falling by the wayside. Anyone else have any thoughts to share on this subject?


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Post by KMFDNFAN »

I'm so at war with myself about this particular topic. On one hand, I rejoice to know that creeps will be deterred from opening their fat mouths and harassing women into full-on conscious awareness of our fetish. I don't want what we like to be something South Park or Family Guy makes fun of on their show.

The old saying goes: "When a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is inevitable." Eating is absolutely essential to our survival, yet if we eat too much, we throw up. It sucks we have to deal with these guys that make news headlines out of sheer stupidity.

Just look at some of these youtube videos: There's good shoeplay on the channels, but the girls they film often notice the camera's and get furious with these guys. It's really awkward.
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Post by ShoeplayJ »

See, stuff like this is why I always say this is an extremely frustrating thing to be into (I'd wager a guess that most fetishes are frustrating, simply due to the stigma stemming from the word "fetish" itself). It's already sad enough that fashion has changed in such drastic ways to where things that many of us like (nylons, pumps etc.) are pretty much obsolete, not to mention what I posted about several months back about women in nylon hosiery shoeplaying a lot less than years past. And now we have this...

KMFDNFAN is right. I've seen those videos, where the subject in question turns around, catches the camera and either A.) Points and laughs at the guy. B.) Gets creeped out and leaves or D.) as KMFDNFAN said, they get openly pissed. Any of these things makes it awkward as fuck. With all this stuff in the media regarding sexual harassment and sexual assault lately, women are going to already be on edge around men, and this right here is the last thing we need.

It's the same as with the idiots who leave their stupid comments on videos that are unrelated to feet, but happen to have candid moments. Why can't these people just enjoy something and shut the fuck up about it? Why do you need to follow a woman around and make disgusting comments? It's gonna get to the point where women are going to feel like "Damn, I can't even show my feet now without some creeper?", because so many of these fuckers can't seem to use their brains and exercise some common sense, as well as common decency.

And no, I refuse to try to work in the media to change the perception. I have no interest in working next to such agenda-driven scumbags, and besides, what the fuck kind of push would I even have? Someone told me this once, and it was just ridiculous....

Sorry for the rant. I'm having a bad day. Can you tell? :superlol:
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Post by OceanWaves3947 »

Yes, these goofs are frustrating. There is already an overbearing stigma surrounding foot fetishism, without fools like these creeping out these poor women who just want their feet to be a little more comfy. Let them relieve their feet in peace, and let us enjoy it in peace. Remember, there is nothing wrong with enjoying the beauty and elegance of shoeplay. Just keep it to yourself. At this rate, especially with the #MeToo movement trending, as it is, in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein et al. sexual abuse and harassment scandals, it's open season on creepy guys (which is a good thing, in my opinion; I believe that there is a line to be drawn between appreciating a woman's shoeplay and harassing her, with the latter never being okay, with me being a full supporter of women's basic rights to privacy and dignity), but unfortunately, I fear it may come to the point where a man caught glancing too long in the direction of a shoeplaying woman's feet may have the charge of being a creep imputed to him, thanks to clowns such as Michael Montgomery, Eddy Juan (the guy who snuck under a table to sniff a female's feet at the library of Florida International University), etc. These goofy guys need to realize that their actions harm everyone. The poor, creeped-out women, us poor, demonized foot fetishists, and even their own foolish, arrested selves.
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I want to quickly elaborate on the comment left by OceanWaves3947:

I completely agree. We aren't hurting, or disturbing these women by looking at their feet from a distance. It is human nature to admire the physical form of someone that you are sexually attracted to. Men look at women. Women look at men. And if you're gay, then likewise, you look at the same gender. We do this.

There are girls that have liked me, and I didn't return the interest. While I'm flattered, I hated being in that situation of wondering just exactly what I could say to let them down easy.

My point is, the attention itself, can be unpleasant, even when the other person has the best intentions. I think this is where most normal people screw up. Forget about the weirdos that leave comments on actress instagrams. Have you ever been upset that a girl rejected your affections in favor of another guy? Have you ever had the feeling that you could do no wrong to her? That you listen and think about every word she says? Are you willing to be by her side and never look at another woman again? This sounds pretty loyal, right? BUT IT'S STILL WRONG TO ENFORCE THAT SHIT ON A GIRL IF SHE DOESN'T WANT IT.

Thus, imagine the guys who do this to women not caring how they feel. Their intentions aren't good. We're doing it to wack off. Make no mistake. There is nothing intimate or romanticized about asking to sniff a girls shoes. She thinks it's odd. Sorry, but it's true. And yeah, yeah, yeah.....I understand that there is a consumer base out there who enjoys humiliation porn, but the women who participate in those videos are paid generously to do that shit. Not some girl on the street.

In my life, I have a nice boss. I am fortunate. But this guy fucking prods one of my biggest pet peeves. He asks for too many favors. When people are walking out the door, I rarely, if ever, stop them last minute and ask them to "stop by a store and get me a newspaper" or something similar. I never do that. Since this guy is my boss, I have a fair obligation to let him know when I come and go so that he can track my attendance. However, he is so over the top with intrusive requests that I need to lie about where I'm going. I don't want to mention the name of a restaurant or drug store because I know the guy will ask me to pick something up for him. I can't stand that crap. Once in a while is fine, but never to the extent that this guy does it.

To be fair, I like the guy. He likes me. He's fun to talk to. But he creates needless drama by putting people in a position to say no to him. Again, his requests are safe. His requests mean nothing in the grand scheme....but there's an emotional gag reflex where you're anticipating it because it happens so much.

That shit wears on people. Imagine girls who get approached by men all of the time. Most of the time, we're harmless... but we wouldn't know that they've been approached by a ton of weird dudes that month. Enough attention from the wrong kind of guy...and she might be wired to respond to something super harmless... with quite a bit of fury.

My point with this story is that no matter how harmless the request, there is a measure of audacity involved. These news anchors on tv...they look better than ever. And we are spooking them.

I mentioned in a previous post, from earlier last week, that a particular news anchor discovered JBS Corner Brandon's youtube page, and she blew up her instagram calling him out....and all of these girls started relating it to sexism and just making us out to be a political extreme that I'm sure most of us are NOT. Even the dumbass stalkers don't have the political intent. It's just that in this day and age, girls have this platform. And God Bless them. I want them to screw over all of these terrible people. Just tread carefully guys.

Just keep exercising your tact and staying at a safe distance. I know that without the ability to film, we would lose 50 % of the content that we love, but for shit's sake....just keep calm and aware that ....NO OFFENSE....these girls just aren't into this shit. And now they have a platform to really burn us.

If you live in the USA, you probably use the excuse "WELL IT'S A FREE COUNTRY." Yes it is. But there is an unspoken statute of limitations. You can say what you want, but there are libel and slander laws. The right to Free Anything is a privilege, essentially. But you can still fuck up. You can take things a step to far with someone....and it would be appropriate for them to correct you.
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Post by notalwaysright10000 »

KDMFAN, I agree with every word you say here, but you might as well try to teach sign language to a flatworm. The people who don't already clearly understand everything you said before ever reading it necessarily have IQ's in the low 80's or worse (yes I most definitely DO know this) and simply lack the cognitive ability to ever grasp what you're saying.

In short, if they need to be told they'll never know. You just can't reason with stupid people. They invariably see reason and logic as an oppressive attempt to control them.
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My strong preference is for seated, both-feet shoeplay. Dangling, and shoeplay with open-toed shoes or mules, I'm afraid don't do as much for me.
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Post by Footsiefreak »

I will have to check the laws in my state but I do take pics on my phone of women in hose/ tights but I keep them to myself. Just wondering if a cop saw me what would he/ could he do?
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Post by notalwaysright10000 »

"Just wondering if a cop saw me what would he/ could he do?"

Legally, absolutely nothing -unless your state has a law that prohibits filming people in public areas without their consent.

However what a cop *can* do (legally) and what he *will* do are not necessarily the same thing.

Not all police are reluctant to bend the law, and in many cases many police simply don't know the law. (This is no insult to police; there is simply too much for them to know.) The upshot is you could end up illegally detained, at least for a while, either because the police sincerely don't understand the law or because they deliberately trump up some pretext (jaywalking, loitering, etc.). However the chances of your being formally charged with anything, let alone actually convicted, are extremely remote.

That is, if you don't have any preexisting warrants for other offenses.
Uh, OK, what should I write here...
Sweet and to the point:
My strong preference is for seated, both-feet shoeplay. Dangling, and shoeplay with open-toed shoes or mules, I'm afraid don't do as much for me.
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Post by Footsiefreak »

notalwaysright10000 wrote:"Just wondering if a cop saw me what would he/ could he do?"

Legally, absolutely nothing -unless your state has a law that prohibits filming people in public areas without their consent.

However what a cop *can* do (legally) and what he *will* do are not necessarily the same thing.

Not all police are reluctant to bend the law, and in many cases many police simply don't know the law. (This is no insult to police; there is simply too much for them to know.) The upshot is you could end up illegally detained, at least for a while, either because the police sincerely don't understand the law or because they deliberately trump up some pretext (jaywalking, loitering, etc.). However the chances of your being formally charged with anything, let alone actually convicted, are extremely remote.

That is, if you don't have any preexisting warrants for other offenses.
In my opinion im doing nothing wrong but a complaining woman will always get the sympathy of a cop and if he is in his bully mood and has nothing else to do he might pursue it.

But there are guys who take upskirts and get caught on video and have had the tv news try to find them. They take the time to look for them when there are much more dangerous criminals out there
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