Crazy For Feet Forum

As common as the bare look is these days, occasionally I still see women (both younger and older) rocking pantyhose or stockings, but I noticed a curious trend or pattern (really not sure of the appropriate term here); shoeplay seems to be more common among the bare crowd, whereas with the women in nylons/stockings..well...you're lucky if you can get so much as a heelpop out of them. For instance, I volunteer at a Municipal building once a week and the little bit of shoeplay I do see is from the barefoot women occasionally playing with their flats. On the other hand, I've noticed women in hosiery will never shoeplay, even if their feet are clearly uncomfortable. Months ago, I witnessed a nicely dressed female worker (she was a cute, slightly thick & curvy Hispanic woman of about 5'2" to 5'5") standing and casually chatting with the receptionist for a least 15 minutes, she was wearing beige pumps with dark seamed stockings that had some type of funky design on them. She was leaning against the receptionist's counter and constantly lifting and moving her feet which were quite obviously hurting, but her shoes never came off. Not even a small pop of her heel! I was really hoping she'd do something, but it was never to be. I know this woman is just one isolated example, but this is something I've noticed a lot in recent years.

What do you all think? Has any noticed this? If so, then why do you suppose women these days are less likely to shoeplay if they are wearing nylons? Perhaps to keep from ruining or dirtying them? Obviously no one can truly answer this other than the women in question, but I'm just curious to the experiences and thoughts of you all.

I agree with you Shoeplayj we are noticing the bare more because there is more of it.

I just recently posted on how you are more likely to find a bare with pants show because thats what most of the women are wearing in my city currently. BUT I have seen hosed action maybe its 20% Most the time its a few heelpops or a dip.Around a month ago I did luck out and witness 2 awesome hosed shoeplay shows in the same day. If I had the right equipment I would have put them on YouTuBE.

Even though hosed shoeplay is my preference I have to admit the bare wearers are putting on the better shoeplay shows currently.Maybe its due to the fact that the women just got pedicures so the want to show it off?

This poses a question though is it easier for a women to shoeplay from hosiery then bare? I thought it would be hosiery because it makes the foot smoother as opposed to bare skin.

I dont think you can ruin hosiery by shoeplaying imo. But I would love to see that caught on camera a woman shoeplaying so hard she rips her hose.

I think the damage is done when they are walking in their stocking feet.

Be nice if we had some ladies to answer these questions on this forum?

Footsiefreak wrote: This poses a question though is it easier for a women to shoeplay from hosiery then bare? I thought it would be hosiery because it makes the foot smoother as opposed to bare skin.

Years ago on Youtube, someone posed an open question in the comments section of a video and asked why women were more likely to shoeplay when they had hose on, or something like that. A really cool and down to earth female user (who has since vanished and with her, her entire trail of comments) answered with the exact reason that you gave — the shoes slipping off easier because of the smooth texture of the material. She also mentioned that sliding the shoes on and off of her hosed feet, felt pleasant to her and (according to her) many other women. This was at least eight years ago, but this convo is one of the reasons why I find it just a tad peculiar that the women in hose that I see, don't really shoeplay. I know that my awareness of the bare look is heightened for various reasons (even if just because I'm so sick of seeing it), but I'm always on the lookout the hose wearers, and the few that I see just aren't doing it. The few women that do rock them, are usually already pretty dressed up, so I'm wondering if it's maybe a subconscious thing on their part about taking their shoes off in public being seen as un-classy or unprofessional.

I think you have it nailed, Shoeplay]. We all know there are fewer wearers of hose and they make a conscious decision to go against style in doing so. It is not hard to believe that this subset of women is more likely to be conscious of their behavior and how they are perceived. They wish to be viewed as professional and taking off shoes in public is thought to detract from that image. So it is the same percentage of women likely shoeplaying but since the trend has switched to bare, those doing the shoeplay are more likely to be bare. Of course this is just a generalization and every woman is a separate case, with factors like how uncomfortable a shoe may be or how much attention a woman feels she is getting from those around her or even temperature and how long she has been standing or walking playing a role. God bless those women, bare or hosed, who make a habit of slipping out of their shoes.

Lets keep this convo going

Maybe some women are really more uncomfortable bare and thats why they seem to shoeplay more? They have their bare skin against a hard shoe causing scrapes bruises, rashes etc. I thought with hose women get smoother relief and protection whil also hiding those scrapes , bruises etc. I have seen alot in the city where I live even the women who have worn slingbacks trying to cover a band aid?. Some women just dont care if they want to wear a certain shoe they just wear them despite what blemishes they have on their feet.

Some women might want to maintain that professional image and think relaxing their feet in some way doesnt look right. But most dont care they know no one is looking at their feet (except for us LOL) and think people are looking at them from the waist up.

Another question is remember when women would wear sneakers with their business outfits to walk around?. If I recall this started in the 80s. But now I rarely see anyone do this. I think its the professional image thing but why care if you are walking in the city you want to have comfortable shoes.

I have seen women change their shoes some. Most recently I seen this good looking lady at the food court on her lap top. She reached into her bag and brought out some strappy heels. She slipped off her Toms under the table and changed shoes.i was lucky to witness it.Also witnessed the same at a bookstore some time ago.

Feeture Feature wrote:I think you have it nailed, Shoeplay]. We all know there are fewer wearers of hose and they make a conscious decision to go against style in doing so. It is not hard to believe that this subset of women is more likely to be conscious of their behavior and how they are perceived. They wish to be viewed as professional and taking off shoes in public is thought to detract from that image. So it is the same percentage of women likely shoeplaying but since the trend has switched to bare, those doing the shoeplay are more likely to be bare. Of course this is just a generalization and every woman is a separate case, with factors like how uncomfortable a shoe may be or how much attention a woman feels she is getting from those around her or even temperature and how long she has been standing or walking playing a role. God bless those women, bare or hosed, who make a habit of slipping out of their shoes.

Those are very good points as well.


Here's another example, and I recall posting this in another thread some time ago. I was at the DMV one late afternoon, waiting to renew my auto tags, and I was standing against the window right next to the main door. Some few feet ahead of me, stood an older heavyset woman, her back was towards me and she was leaning against a counter looking at her phone. She was wearing a white casual shirt with slacks, dark brown nylons and loafers of a similar color. She had quite obviously been standing for a long time, just as we all had been (there was at least 70 of us jammed in there at that moment). I observed her for the longest time, and while she moved and shifted her feet (which, as with the lady at my volunteer gig, her feet were clearly uncomfortable), she never once slipped her shoes off at all. She just barely slid her heel out, but it didn't even separate from the shoe at all. It was just kind of peaking out. Such a curious "trend", isn't it? I'm seeing this a lot. Even when you look on Youtube these days, the majority of the candid content you generally find is of women in flats, sans hosiery. The few that are in hose are barely doing anything.

ShoeplayJ wrote:

Feeture Feature wrote:I think you have it nailed, Shoeplay]. We all know there are fewer wearers of hose and they make a conscious decision to go against style in doing so. It is not hard to believe that this subset of women is more likely to be conscious of their behavior and how they are perceived. They wish to be viewed as professional and taking off shoes in public is thought to detract from that image. So it is the same percentage of women likely shoeplaying but since the trend has switched to bare, those doing the shoeplay are more likely to be bare. Of course this is just a generalization and every woman is a separate case, with factors like how uncomfortable a shoe may be or how much attention a woman feels she is getting from those around her or even temperature and how long she has been standing or walking playing a role. God bless those women, bare or hosed, who make a habit of slipping out of their shoes.

Those are very good points as well.


Here's another example, and I recall posting this in another thread some time ago. I was at the DMV one late afternoon, waiting to renew my auto tags, and I was standing against the window right next to the main door. Some few feet ahead of me, stood an older heavyset woman, her back was towards me and she was leaning against a counter looking at her phone. She was wearing a white casual shirt with slacks, dark brown nylons and loafers of a similar color. She had quite obviously been standing for a long time, just as we all had been (there was at least 70 of us jammed in there at that moment). I observed her for the longest time, and while she moved and shifted her feet (which, as with the lady at my volunteer gig, her feet were clearly uncomfortable), she never once slipped her shoes off at all. She just barely slid her heel out, but it didn't even separate from the shoe at all. It was just kind of peaking out. Such a curious "trend", isn't it? I'm seeing this a lot. Even when you look on Youtube these days, the majority of the candid content you generally find is of women in flats, sans hosiery. The few that are in hose are barely doing anything.

My assumption is that her toe were not pedicured or just ugly so she knew better and didnt want to show them which I commend. Not all women need to be showing their feet in public

Footsiefreak wrote:My assumption is that her toe were not pedicured or just ugly so she knew better and didnt want to show them which I commend. Not all women need to be showing their feet in public

I wish these young flip-flop enthusiasts with long wiry toes, and flat, crusty, ashy feet thought this way. As for this lady, her back was turned to everyone, and there wasn't much space on either side of her (she was standing between a sign and an out of order kiosk), so one would have had to be right in her personal space to really see the state of her toes. It would have been an awesome sole display, if she at least dipped a little.


EDIT: That still doesn't explain the other ladies. A lot of these women are dressed "to the 9", so presumably wouldn't have had the issue or unpedicured toes and such.

Its the same reason why neither you or I or any other foot lover would just go around shoeless? Dirty floors and fear of getting germs

Another reason is that they dont want the attention. If a woman went around shoeless they would get looks even from non foot fetish people.

There are some that dont care and think being comfortable is first and are proud to show their feet . Unfortuneately they are few

Another reason is that women will leave on ther shoes because they are already wearing comfortable shoes. My guesstimation is that 10% of women go out in shoes they have worn 5 times or less.

Ah, well I'm not interested in them being shoeless, just the usual shoeplay that we like. I've never had any expectation of anyone walking around in a public place sans shoes.

I've been pondering this all week without the time to type out my full thoughts.

When it comes to shoeplay, I think it's less about the attire and more about the act itself. Some women are predisposed to it. Some women aren't.

I've played around with the evolution of shoeplay and fashion, and how they've changed over the generations (and even in my own years). For reference, I'm in my mid-thirties. The women in my generation and those after it grew up in an interesting time of footwear. In school, the shoe trends evolved from Mary Jane-style "Chinese" slippers to Doc Martens to chunky heels to strappy sandals. As adults, the prevailing fashion sense is seasonal: boots of all kinds in the cold months, immediately followed by flip-flops and sandals and strappy dress shoes. (And don't forget the acceptance of fitness attire as acceptable outside of the gym.) There have been exceptions along the way (the ballet-flat craze, for one), but the prevailing trends young women have grown up with aren't shoeplay-friendly.

If I think of the women in my social circle over the years, present and past, I can't really think of a good or reliable dangler. I can think of plenty who don't like shoes, or who'll take their shoes off readily. But dipping and dangling feel like lost arts among my generation.

And that seems independent of whether they're bare or hosed. I think we see a lot more barefoot shoeplay, but likely because there are just a lot more bare feet out there year round. The hosed women are a smaller sample set...and maybe they're just not prone to shoeplay.

My wife, for instance, is a tough case. She dislikes wearing her flats bare, but hose are too hot for her to wear most of the year, so she opts for low-cut "no-show" socks with her flats. In past classrooms, she's admitted to taking her shoes off under a table during reading time. But with her current class, she's very guarded about it - one because of cleanliness, two because the kids are likely to follow suit.

I know one woman who admitted to me that she's NOT a shoeplayer. She often wears heels and hose (or even gartered stockings) for formal events, and likes clogs in the fall. But she dislikes her feet, and dislikes the feel of going barefoot, even inside (hard floors make her feel "gross," she once said). She'll wear shoes at home. She did admit, though, that she has taken off her shoes in a classroom before - to stand on a chair to decorate the room - and there was some thrill in "being bad" and going shoeless.

These are only a couple examples. But I think it's more a shoeplay-or-not issue than a hose-or-bare issue. And I think younger women today are more likely to simply go shoeless rather than dip or dangle out of an uncomfortable shoe. Many of the shoes they're used to are ill-suited for playing. And they've grown up dancing barefoot at weddings and parties, or commiserating as one of their friends steps out of a pair of painful shoes at a function. So why not just go for comfort rather than mess with a shoe?

I'm actually a huge fan of what Paradigm88 just mentioned above.

To add to it:

In my limited experience and research, I also think shoeplay is heavily related to "fit." I believe that some women simply can't heelpop. They need to struggle to do it. My findings arise from the fact that I have tried to commission shoeplay videos with models. The thing about me is that I love heelpopping. I love it when women can cross their legs, pop the shoe off and bring it back on without using their hands, or the ground. This is difficult for women to do! SO MANY models have told me: "Sorry, but given the way my shoe fits, I can't pop it off and on...I can only pop it off...and most of my clients are happy with a dangle."

This is very frustrating for me. Again, I completely agree with Paradigm in the sense that women are predisposed to it. To add to that...I don't know how or why.... but I know that it is more difficult than what we are probably thinking...for shoeplay to happen. It DOES have to do with fit.

It is very perplexing to me that SO MANY celebrities simply do not shoeplay in all of these hundreds of interviews posted every week. It is perplexing to me that so many women we see in board meetings, and panels on Youtube, simply don't shoeplay. You would think that JUST ONE would be a shoeplayer, right? My conclusion is that shoeplay is a habit. Not something that happens accidentally. If you see Megan Fox heelpop with her legs crossed, you're head is going to explode, but that isn't shoeplay...that is just luck. If nothing else, it puts her in your mind to look for more interviews to see if she does it again elsewhere.

But shoeplay, in it's purest sense, is a habit where you don't need to wait too long after a woman sits and begins to play. If I'm right, and shoeplay is a habit, then we might need to conclude that shoeplay, in the sense we know it, is a form of compulsion.

I have heard many of you say that women are aware of shoeplay, but I'm beginning to think that women don't think about it, even if they are consciously relieving themselves. I think the more we remind them that we exist and are looking, the less likely they are to do it. You know how some people crack their knuckles and bite their nails? I think women do that with their feet.

I think they are satisfying an urge to pop the shoes. If your girlfriend says "don't crack your knuckles, you are likely to stop doing it around them. Maybe celebs aren't shoeplaying because they are aware of it. This eliminates the possibility of an accident. Going back to urges, people who don't bite their nails and crack their knuckles..therefore... don't feel the urge to do it when they are not doing it. I think shoeplay might seriously be something related to other habits women possess like playing with their hair.

And I'm not trying to bring up an old topic, or argument. I'm just suggesting that the less they think about it, the more likely they are to do it...if they have the right sized foot and tendencies.

I do NOT care for shoeless activity. If the shoe is off, I stop looking. I like "Shoe Play" as it is. There is an element of anticipation and suspense as to whether, or not, a girl will shoeplay.

When I was a kid. I used to play this game where I would pretend that every women I encountered had a colorful orb above their head. If the orb was blue, they were not shoeplayers. IF the orb was yellow, they might pop from time to time...and if the orb was red...then that meant they were shoeplayers. Just a fun fact. I love this thread!

paradigm88 wrote:I've been pondering this all week without the time to type out my full thoughts.

When it comes to shoeplay, I think it's less about the attire and more about the act itself. Some women are predisposed to it. Some women aren't.

If I think of the women in my social circle over the years, present and past, I can't really think of a good or reliable dangler. I can think of plenty who don't like shoes, or who'll take their shoes off readily. But dipping and dangling feel like lost arts among my generation.

And that seems independent of whether they're bare or hosed. I think we see a lot more barefoot shoeplay, but likely because there are just a lot more bare feet out there year round. The hosed women are a smaller sample set...and maybe they're just not prone to shoeplay.

Paradigm88, you've made so many excellent points! That's something to think about, for sure. Some women are simply into the habit of shoeplaying, or they aren't, regardless of their choice of 'foot attire' that day. I guess this point especially rings true for the situations where I mentioned that the women were clearly uncomfortable but still didn't even let out so much as a heelpop. Forgive me for acknowledging the rest of your post out of order.

These are only a couple examples. But I think it's more a shoeplay-or-not issue than a hose-or-bare issue. And I think younger women today are more likely to simply go shoeless rather than dip or dangle out of an uncomfortable shoe. Many of the shoes they're used to are ill-suited for playing. And they've grown up dancing barefoot at weddings and parties, or commiserating as one of their friends steps out of a pair of painful shoes at a function. So why not just go for comfort rather than mess with a shoe?

This last thing you said really stands out to me, because I never really thought about it. But you're absolutely correct. Other than flats, the shoes available to women these days are ill-suited for shoeplay. I've certainly noticed the trend of women just outright taking their shoes off and going barefoot, as opposed to shoeplaying. It's not at all uncommon in certain parts of my State, to see women take off their heels and walk barefoot on the street, i.e. after a night out on the town on the weekend. I've seen this very thing many times, within the last few years but it just doesn't do anything for me. I suppose just because bare feet, whether indoors or outdoors, are just so common. I'd be more intrigued if the women were shoeless with hose on, in situations wherein going without adequate footwear would be discouraged or at the very least seen as unusual. For instance, years ago I witnessed a saleslady at a department store, working the floor in her stocking feet. To be fair, her shoes (high heel pumps) were visibly set aside near her post, which she didn't stray too far away from. It was still incredibly hot! Another time I saw a candid video of a female bus driver, driving her transit bus in her hosed feet, but that's a whole other situation. Anyway, these are things that I have no real expectation of seeing too often, but it's definitely the kind of thing to get my attention when it does happen. Even something as simple as a woman sitting in the library with her shoes off under her chair would still catch my attention, because where I live, it's not as common as one would think (especially with hose).

I know one woman who admitted to me that she's NOT a shoeplayer. She often wears heels and hose (or even gartered stockings) for formal events, and likes clogs in the fall. But she dislikes her feet, and dislikes the feel of going barefoot, even inside (hard floors make her feel "gross," she once said). She'll wear shoes at home. She did admit, though, that she has taken off her shoes in a classroom before - to stand on a chair to decorate the room - and there was some thrill in "being bad" and going shoeless.

I've known a few women like that, myself. It's unfortunate, because a lot of times they'll have very nice feet, but they are insecure about them for whatever reason. For as long as we've been doing foot videos, my wife is still insecure about her feet, though not as much. She used to get teased a lot as a child, about them being "too big", in some cases even by her own parents. I wonder if the woman you speak of here, dealt with similar bullying growing up.

My wife, for instance, is a tough case. She dislikes wearing her flats bare, but hose are too hot for her to wear most of the year, so she opts for low-cut "no-show" socks with her flats. In past classrooms, she's admitted to taking her shoes off under a table during reading time. But with her current class, she's very guarded about it - one because of cleanliness, two because the kids are likely to follow suit.

LOL! My wife is kind of the opposite. She doesn't care for socks or hose, complains about her feet being too cold when the weather cools down. The cool thing about her, is that she can be very liberal about kicking her shoes off in certain places. Even in places where it is discouraged (such as behind the wheel of the car, or in the library, as I mentioned above), she'll do it.

I've played around with the evolution of shoeplay and fashion, and how they've changed over the generations (and even in my own years). For reference, I'm in my mid-thirties. The women in my generation and those after it grew up in an interesting time of footwear. In school, the shoe trends evolved from Mary Jane-style "Chinese" slippers to Doc Martens to chunky heels to strappy sandals. As adults, the prevailing fashion sense is seasonal: boots of all kinds in the cold months, immediately followed by flip-flops and sandals and strappy dress shoes. (And don't forget the acceptance of fitness attire as acceptable outside of the gym.) There have been exceptions along the way (the ballet-flat craze, for one), but the prevailing trends young women have grown up with aren't shoeplay-friendly.

I can visually recall all of those styles, and you're absolutely correct. Not only are these shoes "unshoeplayable", but they usually don't look right with hose either, other than the ballet flats. It's unfortunate what you mentioned about going straight from boots back to flip-flops too. There's no in-between. I'll never tell a woman what to wear, especially not for the sake of satisfying a fetish that she likely has never even heard of before, but I'd be lying if I said these current trends weren't frustrating.

ShoeplayJ wrote:This last thing you said really stands out to me, because I never really thought about it. But you're absolutely correct. Other than flats, the shoes available to women these days are ill-suited for shoeplay. I've certainly noticed the trend of women just outright taking their shoes off and going barefoot, as opposed to shoeplaying. It's not at all uncommon in certain parts of my State, to see women take off their heels and walk barefoot on the street, i.e. after a night out on the town on the weekend. I've seen this very thing many times, within the last few years but it just doesn't do anything for me. I suppose just because bare feet, whether indoors or outdoors, are just so common. I'd be more intrigued if the women were shoeless with hose on, in situations wherein going without adequate footwear would be discouraged or at the very least seen as unusual. For instance, years ago I witnessed a saleslady at a department store, working the floor in her stocking feet. To be fair, her shoes (high heel pumps) were visibly set aside near her post, which she didn't stray too far away from. It was still incredibly hot! Another time I saw a candid video of a female bus driver, driving her transit bus in her hosed feet, but that's a whole other situation. Anyway, these are things that I have no real expectation of seeing too often, but it's definitely the kind of thing to get my attention when it does happen. Even something as simple as a woman sitting in the library with her shoes off under her chair would still catch my attention, because where I live, it's not as common as one would think (especially with hose).

At most of the weddings I've been to in the last 4-5 years, the girls have been barefoot an hour into the dancing. A couple weddings have even featured a basket of flip-flops for those women who didn't just want to be completely bare on the dance floor (after all, the men are still wearing hard-soled dress shoes). Not surprisingly, it's the under-40 crowd that's leaving the shoes under a table somewhere. Most of the shoes are strappy sandals of some kind, or heels with an ankle strap. And many of them are TALL. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as shoes have become harder to take off, the heels have gotten taller. I doubt some designer is crafting a shoe thinking "oh, they're going to take these off after 30 minutes anyway," but as long as they're selling, they're going to be made in that style.

A house party we attended had the same sort of effect. We had a "Roaring Twenties" theme going, so everyone showed up in suit and tie and dress and hat and all. But, being at someone's house (and in winter, no less), the rule was to take the shoes off at the door. Some ladies opted for tights or nylons. Others went with leggings so they could go barefoot (or put on slippers with said leggings).

It's not just weddings. I volunteer for an academic competition every year; it's for business students, and the kids are expected to wear business-appropriate attire for their events. (The manual does recommend hose for women.) When I was a student 20 years ago, the heels were a lot lower, not that I really noticed (I was interested, but focused on our own competition at the time). Now, the skirts are shorter, pantsuits are more common, but the heels are towering, many girls opting for 4" pumps for their presentations. And it's not uncommon to walk past a team that's just presented their project, resting on some couches in the hotel, tall shoes discarded by a coffee table. (Not always tall shoes, either...one of the students came into the scoring room one night and immediately took off her flats and walked around barefoot for a half-hour.)

And in plenty of cases, practicality has "defeated" formality. I remember being in high school when most of the young teachers still wore dresses or skirts, hose and heels. Fast forward to lunchtime, when teachers were standing in the cafeteria on duty and dipping because those heels had been doing their dirty work for half a school day. Now, teachers seem to have traded the classic pumps for Dansko shoes and flats or wedges. My wife never wears heels to teach; it'd be totally impractical. Another friend of mine works in primary education, and they're required to change into indoor clogs/slippers for teaching, leaving her nicer shoes for outdoors. It's far better for them, no doubt, but it takes away some of the action, so to speak. (And maybe it takes away an opportunity for the girls to observe and emulate.)

I've known a few women like that, myself. It's unfortunate, because a lot of times they'll have very nice feet, but they are insecure about them for whatever reason. For as long as we've been doing foot videos, my wife is still insecure about her feet, though not as much. She used to get teased a lot as a child, about them being "too big", in some cases even by her own parents. I wonder if the woman you speak of here, dealt with similar bullying growing up.

The sad thing is, I don't believe she did. She wears a size 6.5. She simply has, as she explained it, an "anti-foot fetish." She never saw feet as attractive. She doesn't feel comfortable barefoot. She wears shoes indoors because it's more comfortable to her. She had a boyfriend who was a barefooter, and the thought of him touching her feet was a bit uncomfortable. In summer she'd rather wear docksiders than sandals, and toe cleavage flats annoy her because they're too showy. Pity.

I can visually recall all of those styles, and you're absolutely correct. Not only are these shoes "unshoeplayable", but they usually don't look right with hose either, other than the ballet flats. It's unfortunate what you mentioned about going straight from boots back to flip-flops too. There's no in-between. I'll never tell a woman what to wear, especially not for the sake of satisfying a fetish that she likely has never even heard of before, but I'd be lying if I said these current trends weren't frustrating.

There was a little room with some of those older styles and hose. The Chinese slippers paired well with white tights or sheer hose, though not so much with shoeplay. The chunky black loafers all the girls wore were often very playable. Tights with strappy sandals were popular in the fall and winter up here. But the styles then certainly paved the way for a line of shoeplay-unfriendly choices in the coming years.

Hence why we're inundated with boots through the cold months, transitioning right to sandals and flip-flops, with the interim space held by the sneakers that pair better with yoga pants and a t-shirt. It's what's in style, and they're pretty practical for all situations. Moreso than a pair of low-heeled pumps.

paradigm88 wrote:I've been pondering this all week without the time to type out my full thoughts.

When it comes to shoeplay, I think it's less about the attire and more about the act itself. Some women are predisposed to it. Some women aren't.

I've played around with the evolution of shoeplay and fashion, and how they've changed over the generations (and even in my own years). For reference, I'm in my mid-thirties. The women in my generation and those after it grew up in an interesting time of footwear. In school, the shoe trends evolved from Mary Jane-style "Chinese" slippers to Doc Martens to chunky heels to strappy sandals. As adults, the prevailing fashion sense is seasonal: boots of all kinds in the cold months, immediately followed by flip-flops and sandals and strappy dress shoes. (And don't forget the acceptance of fitness attire as acceptable outside of the gym.) There have been exceptions along the way (the ballet-flat craze, for one), but the prevailing trends young women have grown up with aren't shoeplay-friendly.

If I think of the women in my social circle over the years, present and past, I can't really think of a good or reliable dangler. I can think of plenty who don't like shoes, or who'll take their shoes off readily. But dipping and dangling feel like lost arts among my generation.

And that seems independent of whether they're bare or hosed. I think we see a lot more barefoot shoeplay, but likely because there are just a lot more bare feet out there year round. The hosed women are a smaller sample set...and maybe they're just not prone to shoeplay.

My wife, for instance, is a tough case. She dislikes wearing her flats bare, but hose are too hot for her to wear most of the year, so she opts for low-cut "no-show" socks with her flats. In past classrooms, she's admitted to taking her shoes off under a table during reading time. But with her current class, she's very guarded about it - one because of cleanliness, two because the kids are likely to follow suit.

I know one woman who admitted to me that she's NOT a shoeplayer. She often wears heels and hose (or even gartered stockings) for formal events, and likes clogs in the fall. But she dislikes her feet, and dislikes the feel of going barefoot, even inside (hard floors make her feel "gross," she once said). She'll wear shoes at home. She did admit, though, that she has taken off her shoes in a classroom before - to stand on a chair to decorate the room - and there was some thrill in "being bad" and going shoeless.

These are only a couple examples. But I think it's more a shoeplay-or-not issue than a hose-or-bare issue. And I think younger women today are more likely to simply go shoeless rather than dip or dangle out of an uncomfortable shoe. Many of the shoes they're used to are ill-suited for playing. And they've grown up dancing barefoot at weddings and parties, or commiserating as one of their friends steps out of a pair of painful shoes at a function. So why not just go for comfort rather than mess with a shoe?

Im sorry but any woman who says hosiery is too warm is lying. Most of us wear socks and dont complain even in the summer. Both sexes have been wearing socks for centuries and now all the sudden they are too uncomfortable even when its cold? BULLSHIT!!!!!! They just dont want to admit that they just want to follow the fashion crowd to seem cool and go bare. Just because its in fashion doesnt mean its the right look for you? So if that were the case pants would be uncomfortable as well?And gloves too?

iN my city theres lterally a nail salon on every block and this has been since the mid 90s. Im thinking that women want to show off their pedicures and thats why the bare look has taken over.

KMFDNFAN wrote:I'm actually a huge fan of what Paradigm88 just mentioned above.

To add to it:

In my limited experience and research, I also think shoeplay is heavily related to "fit." I believe that some women simply can't heelpop. They need to struggle to do it. My findings arise from the fact that I have tried to commission shoeplay videos with models. The thing about me is that I love heelpopping. I love it when women can cross their legs, pop the shoe off and bring it back on without using their hands, or the ground. This is difficult for women to do! SO MANY models have told me: "Sorry, but given the way my shoe fits, I can't pop it off and on...I can only pop it off...and most of my clients are happy with a dangle."

This is very frustrating for me. Again, I completely agree with Paradigm in the sense that women are predisposed to it. To add to that...I don't know how or why.... but I know that it is more difficult than what we are probably thinking...for shoeplay to happen. It DOES have to do with fit.

It is very perplexing to me that SO MANY celebrities simply do not shoeplay in all of these hundreds of interviews posted every week. It is perplexing to me that so many women we see in board meetings, and panels on Youtube, simply don't shoeplay. You would think that JUST ONE would be a shoeplayer, right? My conclusion is that shoeplay is a habit. Not something that happens accidentally. If you see Megan Fox heelpop with her legs crossed, you're head is going to explode, but that isn't shoeplay...that is just luck. If nothing else, it puts her in your mind to look for more interviews to see if she does it again elsewhere.

But shoeplay, in it's purest sense, is a habit where you don't need to wait too long after a woman sits and begins to play. If I'm right, and shoeplay is a habit, then we might need to conclude that shoeplay, in the sense we know it, is a form of compulsion.

I have heard many of you say that women are aware of shoeplay, but I'm beginning to think that women don't think about it, even if they are consciously relieving themselves. I think the more we remind them that we exist and are looking, the less likely they are to do it. You know how some people crack their knuckles and bite their nails? I think women do that with their feet.

I think they are satisfying an urge to pop the shoes. If your girlfriend says "don't crack your knuckles, you are likely to stop doing it around them. Maybe celebs aren't shoeplaying because they are aware of it. This eliminates the possibility of an accident. Going back to urges, people who don't bite their nails and crack their knuckles..therefore... don't feel the urge to do it when they are not doing it. I think shoeplay might seriously be something related to other habits women possess like playing with their hair.

And I'm not trying to bring up an old topic, or argument. I'm just suggesting that the less they think about it, the more likely they are to do it...if they have the right sized foot and tendencies.

I do NOT care for shoeless activity. If the shoe is off, I stop looking. I like "Shoe Play" as it is. There is an element of anticipation and suspense as to whether, or not, a girl will shoeplay.

When I was a kid. I used to play this game where I would pretend that every women I encountered had a colorful orb above their head. If the orb was blue, they were not shoeplayers. IF the orb was yellow, they might pop from time to time...and if the orb was red...then that meant they were shoeplayers. Just a fun fact. I love this thread!

But when a celebrity is being interviewed the focus is rarely on their feet. Someone who records these clips are just lucky to capture it and we are lucky to see it. But I do think they are forewarned by their publicist sometimes ok dont shoeplay and get unwanted attention from us. I think when they are not on camera they shoeplay more because they are just more relaxed.

Same thing for the ladies at a conference or political gathering its just luck that someone recordered it and got it at the right angle. I will always remember that Jen Psaki former Press Secretary dipping clip. Here she is in front of all these politicians and professionals but shes dipping. I think she was dipping to relax herself because its tense being up there being asked questions on national business. If we only had that angle Im know we would be seeing more action.

Im sorry but any woman who says hosiery is too warm is lying. Most of us wear socks and dont complain even in the summer. Both sexes have been wearing socks for centuries and now all the sudden they are too uncomfortable even when its cold? BULLSHIT!!!!!! They just dont want to admit that they just want to follow the fashion crowd to seem cool and go bare. Just because its in fashion doesnt mean its the right look for you? So if that were the case pants would be uncomfortable as well?And gloves too?

Hmmm. This made me think...and this is kind of off subject, but I've been doing Jury Duty the past week, and let met tell you — as much as it inconveniences me, Courts are a heel and nylon lover's PARADISE. It's been way over a decade since the last time I can recall being surrounded by so many women wearing pumps and stockings. The downside is, shoeplay has unsurprisingly been nonexistent because these women are all Court Staff in one way or another (Secretaries, Attorneys, Prosecutors etc.). It's definitely refreshing to see, nonetheless. This indicates to me, that there is still a decent amount of women who aren't opposed to at least wear hosiery for work. I imagine it's not a dress code thing either, because I've witnessed just as many bare legged female Court workers this week, so I'd say such things are clearly left at the woman's discretion. And don't think that the weather in my State has been hosiery friendly either; this week alone we have been dealing with temperatures of up to 85 degrees, with a generous amount of humidity to boot. I guess that's why I sometimes shake my head when I hear some women complain about how "hot" hosiery is, because of cases like this wherein you have at least a couple hundred women around the City choosing to wear them, knowing that temperatures would be so high. I can't imagine they're any hotter than the three piece suits that their male counterparts wear. But I'm just talking shit now.

I was in court as a witness a few times recently and Im guessing only 20% of the staff, attorneys etc were wearing hose/tights. Of course all the younger females were bare and the only the mature attorneys 35 and up were wearing hose. I think the more mature generation who grew up wearing hose think of it as more profesional looking and are just so used to it.

The rare times I have seen the younger attorneys wear them is to cover up a tattoo

You are extemely lucky to have such a higher percentage in the courts in your area.

Some women dont even consider hose to complete their look as long as they are dressed well.

Also will drag in the subject of shoeplay in court. The only shoeplay I have witness is the staff with the under the chair play usually the crossed ankle heelpop. But NO DIPPING OR DANGLING. Court is not the place for a lady to show off her shoeplay skills they want to be as professional and conservative as possible.